Climate talks collapse!

By |2013-06-13T11:18:46+00:00June 12th, 2013|CFACT Insights|24 Comments

For the UN climate conference in Bonn the bear to worry about was not Polar, but Russian.

In the final minutes of COP 18, the UN climate talks in Doha, Qatari vice prime minister Abdullah bin Hamad al-Attiyah brought down the gavel – ending the COP and snubbing delegates of nations waiting to speak. Among them was the Russian delegation which was frantically waving papers in the air demanding to be recognized.

Russia has neither forgiven, nor forgotten.

UN flag before Maritim s When the UN climate talks opened in Bonn last week, Russia, joined by Ukraine and Belarus, blocked adoption of the agenda of the “Subsidiary Body for Implementation” (SBI). The SBI is the key negotiating track towards signing a UN climate treaty in Paris in 2015. The SBI has been unable to conduct any business in Bonn and has announced that it has suspended its business.  This has prevented the UN from considering, among other items, advancing the loss and damage mechanism (see CFACT’s report) that was perhaps the most significant outcome agreed to in Doha.

Many developing nations are not happy at seeing “loss and damage” blocked, as it is a key pathway for those seeking a global warming route to wealth redistribution.

Russia has raised a much needed question as to whether there is a fundamental lack of fairness and due process at the UN climate talks. The Doha outcome, for example, was “agreed to,” but was it ever properly voted upon? Is it proper for the UNFCCC to allow Russia coloredmajor portions of the outcome of the climate talks to be drafted behind closed doors, present them at the 11th hour and then proceed based on a “consensus” rather than a recorded vote? Can the UN lawfully slam the gavel on any nation, such as Russia, and refuse to recognize them? Reuters reports that ‘Christiana Figueres, the U.N.’s climate chief, said a consensus was reached,’ but Oleg Shamanov, Russia’s head of delegation, called it an “absolutely obvious violation of the procedure.”

Reuters further reports that, ‘in 2010, Bolivian chief negotiator Pablo Solon claimed that security had blocked him from attending the talks, while a year later Venezuela’s envoy had to stand on a chair to voice her objections. Jayanthi Natarajan, India’s minister of forests and environment, said she was threatened and told not to object to any text at talks in Durban in 2011. “In the past we have very negative examples where procedures were not followed … and the culmination point was Doha. It’s unacceptable,” Shamanov said.’

If the UNFCCC successfully gets its climate treaty in Paris in 2015, the treaty will govern a tremendous portion of the economic activity of all mankind. Not billions, but trillions of dollars will be at stake. Nations will subordinate major portions of their sovereignty to the United Nations. Aside from whether the climate treaty is wise (it is not), can such a thing be created without due process? Without a vote? This would seem to contravene the principles upon which the UN was founded.

Those who stand for individual freedom and the due process which protects it owe Russia their thanks. Russia’s actions, however, appear to be largely self motivated. When al-Attiyah gaveled Russia down in Doha he wounded Russian pride – something Russia is historically willing to fight for.

A larger Russian motivation, however, appears to be what is being called in Bonn the “hot air” issue. Russia was not at all pleased when the UN COP pulled the plug in Doha on all the emissions credits Russia had acquired under the first Kyoto treaty and told Russia it couldn’t carry them forward.  Russia, which has announced that it will not be part of a second commitment period for the Kyoto protocol and has signaled a reluctance to sign on in Paris, wants to keep its credits anyway. Russia would like to sell its old credits to the countries which do sign aboard and would be paid effectively for nothing but hot air.

European carbon markeCarbon price approaches nothingts have recently collapsed with the price of carbon hitting record lows. The UNFCCC believes that allowing Russia, Ukraine, Poland and other former Soviet bloc nations to retain the huge stockpile of carbon credits they picked up under Kyoto would relentlessly flood and depress the carbon market in perpetuity. The irony is that in effect, the former Eastern bloc nations are claiming credit and demanding compensation for Communism, which depressed their economic development. Many of the former Eastern bloc’s carbon credits accrued during their painful transition from Communism which temporarily depressed their economies still further.  If fallen communist statueany compensation is due for the harms caused by Communism, Russia should be paying, not receiving.

Poland, which will host UN COP 19 in November, has approximately 500m tons of carbon credits which it refuses to part with. Poland generates much of its power from coal and would like to use those credits both to offset the emissions from its use of coal and to continue to sell to other nations. Poland is estimated to have sold €190 million in credits to nations including Japan, Ireland and Spain.

Polish flag flyingPoland was a victim of Communism. Should Russia and the other nations of the former Soviet Union truly be compensated for the economic destruction wreaked by Communism? The absurdity of how money changes hands through UN processes apparently knows no bounds.

The good news is that the treaty negotiating track at the UN climate talks in Bonn is temporarily suspended, although Ms. Figueres vows to be back on track by Warsaw. The bad news is that there are very few “good guys” involved. The UN climate talks have become a place where radical ideology trumps science, consensus is gaveled into policy with little regard for due process and the nations of the world are bribed to go along with handouts of other people’s money.

Who do you suppose worked for the money that everyone at the UN is so anxious to redistribute?

UNFCCC Bonn Plenary

About the Author:

Craig Rucker is president and co-founder of CFACT.


  1. Frederick Colbourne June 12, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    I suggest you fix the grammar “Who” is the suject of your sentence.

    “Who do you suppose worked for the money that everyone at the UN is so anxious to redistribute?”

    • CFACT Ed June 12, 2013 at 12:47 PM

      Who is doing the supposing? “You.” Whom are you supposing about? However, that little m is on its way to obsolescence and will not be missed.

      • Rural Canadian June 13, 2013 at 8:41 AM

        Yeah, you’ve sure got that right… that “little m” on its way to obsolescence, being the final piece of private property on their wish list, starts with the word “me” (and you) if the neo-Malthusians get their wish .

        • CFACT Ed June 13, 2013 at 10:05 AM

          First they came for the archaisms…

  2. craigers61 June 12, 2013 at 1:32 PM

    Now if only the UN would collapse and go away forever.

    • Rural Canadian June 13, 2013 at 1:05 AM

      Sounds like a great Plan A to me, but we’d still have to kick the “socialist in ideology, capitalist in methodology” Bootleggers that the UN Ministry of Deep Ecology married to Baptists, that are guided by the “Gospel of Lalonde” (aka the “Precautionary Principle”), out of our House. Might as well keep working on Plan B while hoping for Plan A to become the Newly Independent Economic Order WE Want?

  3. tomwys June 12, 2013 at 2:01 PM

    Anyone who went through the Russian-Asian winter a few months ago would be daft in believing they would ever agree to anything that might make the world colder!!!

    Of course, CO2 isn’t the problem anyway, but the dimmer bulbs in the UN haven’t “lit” yet, and Polish vodka which flowed freely didn’t help either!!!

    • Rural Canadian June 13, 2013 at 8:34 AM

      Neither have the dimlits in our Ministry of UN Environment, so spare a prayer for those of us confronting comparably cold climes at times? Especially our poorest, given the Can-USA-EPA’s PM2.5 push and woodstoves already remaining their only affordable means for home heating and drying laundry? First they came for the cans of spray deodorant…can’t help but think of Niemoeller’s timeless forewarning as the talk of supplementing the UNFCCC with Montreal Protocol abuse “moves forward”…

  4. brossen99 June 12, 2013 at 2:20 PM

    I told everybody that the Co2 scam was driven in the interest of the OIL companies all along, yet everybody said I was a complete nutcase because I pointed out it was the Greens pushing oil company interests the diametrical opposite of what they always attempted to portray !

    • NewHampshire June 12, 2013 at 3:32 PM

      YOU are correct. Guess who funds the wacko environmentalists like The richest oil families in the world — Rockfeller Bros!

  5. Philip Beck June 12, 2013 at 2:37 PM

    Do those who doubt climate catastrophism lack scientific credibility?

  6. spyeatte June 12, 2013 at 3:24 PM

    Russia saves the day – for now, you can’t depend on the U.S.

  7. NewHampshire June 12, 2013 at 3:33 PM

    Maurice Strong, David Rockfeller, George Soros FOILED for now anyway.

    • k9 December 2, 2014 at 7:14 PM

      Why don’t this stupid “DICTATOR IN CHIEF” stay here in the USA and take care of business here instead of running all over the world telling them how to live.
      the butt hole has to stick his flat black nose in every countries business. Why don’t he go to Africa where belongs and stay there.

  8. TN4guy June 12, 2013 at 5:21 PM

    Isn’t it great! Now the Russians are the independent thinking capitalists and the US is hurrying down the socialist road.

  9. Joseph A Olson June 12, 2013 at 6:12 PM

    Carbon climate forcing is faux science, created to FORCE Carbon commodity markets. It is credit-default ‘science’ insurance fig leaf for a government mandated, Carbon derivative FRAUD. This in one of the trifecta of government funded Carbon frauds, which also includes ‘sustainable’ energy and ‘peak’ oil. These FRAUDS are summarized in “Becoming A TOTAL Earth Science Skeptic”….and is combined with history LIES to create the false paradigm current reality. The reason for all of the science & history lies is described in “Fractional Reserve Banking Begat Faux Reality”.


    Find and share Truth….it is your duty as an Earthling.

  10. David Andrew Howard June 12, 2013 at 8:22 PM

    For today I will be Russian. Well done to them and hope many more follow their lead.

  11. Bob Young June 12, 2013 at 8:41 PM

    The UN is such an obvious ploy for the far left. Perhaps if countries start to ignore the UN and these ridiculous climate meetings, they’ll just go away. When will the US finally pull out funding of this fraud institution and kick them out of the US.

  12. Bob Young June 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM

    I may have to move to Russia or Ukraine. My wife is Ukranian.

  13. John Paily June 13, 2013 at 1:43 AM

    The world is endangered by
    abrupt climate changes and people are suffering. There is a bloom of national
    and international organization who are
    conducting conferences after conferences, with no signs of nations yielding. I
    say no change can manifest without
    knowledge and truth. Forgive me, I keep repeating – We need to understand Global warming reduced to
    earth’s struggle to maintain certain of energy to matter ratio or the heat of
    the external and internal environment of earth. With increased heat of the
    environment and decreased time and resources for earth to convert this heat
    into matter, earth is being stressed. We are inviting two fold destruction from
    unwinding force of heat [energy] or fire and winding force of earth [manifesting
    into flash floods/snows, earth quakes and volcanic eruptions]. Sudden peaking
    and falling of these forces are going to tear everything. We are heading to
    huge catastrophes and even annihilation of much of humanity unless we awaken to
    the “principle and design” on which Mother earth functions and know
    her Master who controls – A simple
    management energy of earth’s environment [external and internal] can abate the
    destruction coming at us.

    • MrInterpid June 13, 2013 at 2:26 AM

      They are coming to take you away, ha ha he he ho ho. Where life is happy and gay, ha ha he he ho ho.

  14. Mervyn June 13, 2013 at 8:06 AM


  15. Mike_Hohmann June 13, 2013 at 11:01 AM

    I am getting bored. The
    globe can be getting warmer or colder, but the idea that the human contribution
    from burning carbon fuels has anything to do with it is not only IMHO the
    biggest political and intellectual fraud ever – but so says the IPCC
    itself: The ongoing discussion
    pro and con is becoming akin to the scholastic argument as to how many angels
    can dance on the head of a needle. Which is, of course, exactly what is
    intended to achieve worldwide disorientation away from the actual IPCC aims of
    monetary and energy policies – and bringing a whole, if not all, of science
    into disrepute. Even the UK Royal Society has become Lysenkoist. viz.

  16. klem June 15, 2013 at 5:42 AM

    Once in awhile Russia does something that makes me cheer Russia. Not often, but once in awhile.

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