Crucial difference in animal welfare and rightsUnderstanding why extremism has nothing to do with legitimate concern for animalsMay 7, 2004 by CFACT During a speech at the Animal Rights 2001 Convention, Bruce Friedrich said, If we really believe that animals have the same right to be free from pain and suffering at our hands, then, of course were going to be, as a movement, blowing things up and smashing windows. Blowing things up? Thats pretty strong language for the Vegan Campaign Coordinator of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, otherwise known as PETA. Many Americans believe PETA is a mainstream animal welfare group promoting humane treatment of animals and providing local animal shelters for stray or abused cats and dogs. But the facts reveal otherwise. Animal Welfare vs. Animal Rights Like most animal rights groups, PETA is not an animal welfare organization. Animal welfare groups seek to ensure the humane treatment of animals like a local humane animal shelter. Rather, as pointed out by Animalscam.com, animal rights groups seek equal rights for animals with humans to prevent people from using or owning animals in any way. Animal welfare organizations have been around for centuries. Animal rights groups emerged in the 1980s with the rise of PETA. Animal rights groups defend their position by claiming many other animals are psychological beings just like humans, with an experiential welfare of their own. Therefore, humans and animals are the same and equal, and we have no right to use animals for food, clothing or medical research. PETA believes that animals deserve the most basic rights. These include consideration of their own best interests regardless of their usefulness to humans. Like humans, they are capable of suffering and have interests of their own. Therefore, animals are not ours to usefor food, clothing, entertainment, or experimentation, or for any other reason. "Our goal," PETA President Ingrid Newkirk told the Animal Rights 2002 Convention, "is total animal liberation." Those that raise animals disagree. Pets are normally loved by their owners and well cared for. Farm animals are raised in an environment that reduces stress and recognizes the science-based behavioral, physiological and physiological needs of each species notes animalagalliance.org. Regardless of species, notes animalagalliance.org, an animal held in an environment that creates undue stress will not thrive reducing productivity for the farmer. The same is true for biomedical work. Good research demands good treatment of test subjects. Animalrights.net has identified over one hundred animal rights groups. Besides PETA, one of the largest is the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS). HSUS was established in 1954 by splintering from the conservative American Humane Association, a true and highly respected animal welfare organization. HSUS became an animal rights organization in the 1980s after seeing the financial success of PETA. Many people accuse HSUS of deliberately playing off its name. Activistcash.com reports that HSUSs fund raising campaigns leads donors to believe HSUS is a pet loving organization, working on behalf of dogs, puppies, cats, kittens. Like nearly all animal rights organizations, HSUS does very little to help improve animal welfare in any community. Although HSUS could afford to operate humane animal shelters in every state, it operates none. Rather, it is in the forefront of the effort to legally redefine pets as companions and their owners as guardians. Like many other animal rights groups, HSUS pours huge sums of money into referendum and legislative campaigns to stop any use of animals. Along with other heavy hitters like the Fund for Animals and Farm Sanctuary, notes activistcash.com, HSUS scored a big victory in Florida in 2002 when a ballot initiative passed that gave constitutional rights to pregnant pigs. Among other things, the new rights for Florida pigs banned farmers from using gestation crates. The crates are necessary to humanely keep sows healthy during pregnancy and to prevent them from accidentally rolling over and crushing their newborn piglets. The new law did nothing to improve the welfare of pigs, but did make pig farming economically unsustainable. The Fund for Animals and Farm Sanctuary accomplished exactly what they wanted. Today there are virtually no pig farms in Florida. HSUS, PETA and other animal rights groups increasingly achieve their goals of total animal liberation by employing an any means necessary philosophy. A growing number take the law into their own hands, crossing the line from peaceful protest to violent crime. For instance, PETAs Friedrich emphasized the use of violence in his speech at the 2001 Animal Rights Conference, I think it would be great if all of the fast-food outlets, slaughterhouses, these laboratories, and the banks that fund them exploded tomorrow Hallelujah to the people who are willing to do it. The Dark World of Violence and Terrorism Two of the most violent animal rights groups are the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) and the Earth Liberation Front (ELF). Both are groups considered by the FBI as terrorist organizations whose purpose is to bring about social and political change using force and violence. ALF is described by the FBI as a loosely organized movement committed to ending their perceived abuse and exploitation of animals. Established in Great Britain in the mid-1970s, the American branch of ALF began its operations in the late 1970s. Individuals do not join ALF by filing paperwork or paying dues, but simply by engaging in "direct action" against companies or individuals who utilize animals for research or economic gain. The FBIs Domestic Terrorism Section Chief, James F. Jarboe, testified to the House Resources Subcommittee on February 12, 2002, direct action generally occurs in the form of criminal activity to cause economic loss or to destroy the victims' company operations. Despite the destructive aspects of ALF's operations, its operational philosophy usually discourages acts that harm any animal, human and nonhuman. Yet, ALF activists have engaged in a steadily growing campaign of violent activity against fur companies, mink farms, restaurants, and animal research laboratories. In his February 2002 congressional testimony, Jarboe said, ALF has become one of the most active extremist elements in the United States. He continued, Estimates of damage and destruction in the United States claimed by ALF during the past ten years[are] more than 45 million dollars. Both ALF/ELF declare solidarity between the two groups and have crossover leadership and membership. The FBIs Executive Assistant Director of Counterterrorism/Counterintelligence, Dale L. Watson, testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee on February 6, 2002 that during 1996 to 2001 ALF/ELF together committed approximately 600 criminal acts in the United States resulting in damages in excess of 42 million dollars. According to Watson, arson is the tool of choice for ALF/ELF. ALF/ELF activists consistently use improvised incendiary devices equipped with crude but effective timing mechanisms, often constructed using instructions found on ALF/ELF websites. ELF, for instance, claimed responsibility for the arson fires set at a Vail, Colorado, ski resort in October 1998 that destroyed eight separate structures and caused $12 million dollars in damages. In a communiqu issued after the fires, ELF claimed that the fires were in retaliation for the resort's alleged destruction of the last remaining lynx habitat in Colorado. In another example, a jury convicted ALF activist Rodney Coronado of arson in the multi-million dollar 1992 torching of a Michigan State University animal research lab. During the trial in came out that days before Coronado committed this terrorist crime, PETA President Ingrid Newkirk requested he FedEx her any documents he stole prior to torching the facility. The FBI intercepted the FedEx package and found the stolen documents and a video of a masked Coronado committing the crime. Particularly disturbing is a donation by PETA of $45,200 to Coronados support committee and a loan of $25,000 to his father. The father never repaid the loan, leading many to speculate Coronado was working for PETA. Coronado received a sentence of 57 months in federal prison in 1995. Following his release, Coronado openly confessed to at least six other arsons for which the statute of limitations had passed. While speaking to over 100 college radicals at the American University in January 2003, Coronado demonstrated the correct way to build a firebomb out of household materials. A few days later, ALF activists tried to burn down a McDonalds restaurant in Chico, California, using a firebomb that matched Coronados recipe. Coronado got his start with the Sea Sheppard Conservancy Society. Sea Sheppard protects fish and animals of the sea by ramming and sinking fishing ships, firing machine guns and throwing acid on their decks. The Capital Research Centers Organization Trends February 2004 issue reports Sea Sheppards fleet of boats, called Neptunes Navy, has sunk at least ten ships and rammed countless others around the world. According to activistcash.com, Coronado assisted in sinking two of these ships in Iceland in 1986. Paul Watson, one of the original co-founders of Greenpeace, formed Sea Sheppard after Greenpeace threw him out in 1977 for his violent actions. He told the 2002 Animal Rights Convention, Theres nothing wrong with being a terrorist, as long as you win. Like most terrorists, he also justifies his violence by shifting blame to others. We should never feel like were going too far in breaking the law, continued Watson, because whatever laws you break to liberate animals or to protect the environment are very insignificant compared to the laws that are broken by that parliament of whores in Washington. They are the biggest lawbreakers, the biggest destroyers, the biggest mass-murderers on this planet right now. Watsons goal is to ultimately force the shut down of the global fishery industry. He has a seething hatred of the people whose livelihood he threatens, notes activistcash.com. However, this goal does not prevent him from eating fish, or even hamburgers for that matter. In this Watson differs from most animal rights extremists, who are usually avid vegetarians that demand everyone else follow their lead. Economic and Social Violence Not all violence by animal rights advocates against people and corporations is physical. While ELF burned down a resort to protect the lynx in the fall of 2001, the Washington Times broke the story on December 17, 2001, of a lynx fraud by seven federal and state wildlife biologists. The biologists planted fur of a rare and threatened Canadian lynx on rubbing posts in the Wenatchee and Gifford Pinchot National Forests in the state of Washington. DNA testing of the samples matched that of a lynx living inside an animal preserve and an escaped pet lynx being held by one of the biologists until its owner retrieved it. Had the fraud gone undetected environmentalists and animal rights advocates would have used the evidence to invoke the Endangered Species Act, closing roads to vehicles and banning off-road vehicles, snowmobiles, skis and snowshoes, livestock grazing and tree thinning. Such closures historically have decimated the local rural economy. Nonetheless, the guilty biologists claimed they were merely testing the reliability of lynx survey methodology and received no discipline. In their single-purpose zeal to protect all animals from man in every way, animal rights organizations can do tremendous economic and social damage, often to people and causes they otherwise claim to support. In one of hundreds of examples, the anti-fur campaign that started in the 1970s traumatized Inuit native Canadians who depended on the fur trade for a living. The tragedy started with a feel-good, well-coordinated and funded campaign against the fur trade by numerous environmental and animal rights groups supported by Hollywood celebrities. Public outrage resulting from pictures showing the clubbing of seals led politicians to ban Canadian seal products in the United States in 1972 and the European Economic Community in 1983. Finding more humane methods of harvesting the seals was never an option. Activists demanded and got a complete ban. The bans destroyed the seal-furring industry, deeply embittering the native Inuits. They claim the feel-good environmentalists, animal rights activists and Hollywood celebrities have no understanding of what's involved with wildlife, or have any consideration about what effect their actions have on the rest of the world. While many animal rights supporters are unaware of this unintended consequence, ignorance is not an excuse for the leaders of the animal rights groups. Stephen Kakfwi, the Premier of the Northwest Territories, told the January 30, 2003 New York Times, I'm still bitter about what was done to us. We pleaded with Greenpeace and the others. We told them that we will have to turn to oil and gas and mining for jobs in order to survive. The animal rights groups apparently didnt care even though they claim to be against oil and gas exploration and development as well. They continue their relentless anti-fur campaign today. Animal Welfare, Not Animal Rights No one doubts that many animal-oriented industries needed to be more humane in their treatment of animals. Yet, throughout recent history, human beings adopted more and more humane standards of animal "welfare" for their pets, livestock, and laboratory animals. It makes sense. Farmers know that cared-for livestock animals produce more and better products. Medical researchers know that their scientific work is meaningless without healthy lab animals. Animal welfare and user groups are optimistic. Research and better technology will allow improvements in animal welfare in the future. However, in an attempt to turn ordinary Americans against the responsible stewardship of animals, animal rights activists use shrill rhetoric, headline-grabbing stunts, and violent crimes to prevent humans from using or owning any animal. This could have terrible consequences for our way of life. The people who are doing the most to promote animal welfare today are the very ones that the animal rights movement wants to put out of business. So watchdogs of this issue like those at Animalscam.com are correct in recommending that if you want to support the humane treatment of animals, support your local animal shelter, your local humane society (not the animal-rights-oriented Humane Society of the United States), or your local zoological park. Because animal welfare groups deserve your help. Animal rights extremists do not.
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mkwrk2Is any possible link between the Rosenfeld Effect (a "flat" per capita energy consumption)http://www.mercurynews.com/green-energy/ci_14059885?nclick_check=1 and this topic, in California especially? ![]() RationalKeithIsn't Paul Watson of the Sea Shepard the same confrontational person who was one of the founders of Greenpeace, the organization that Patrick Moore dumped because their whole focus is negative, anti-life? ![]() ExxonShareholderSmoke, Mirrors & Hot Air: How ExxonMobil Uses Big Tobacco's Tactics to Manufacture Uncertainty on Climate Science ![]() MichaelGOPCFACT receives no funds from Exxon. CFACT and its allies are winning the climate debate with sound science, despite being outspent by far.... { from Monckton names names on Climategate } ![]() MichaelGOPCFACT'S Bills are paid by average people who care about free markets, sound science and open minds. { from Socialists and Communists march to support global warming agenda } ![]() MichaelGOPCFACT receives no funding from Exxon. Time to think up fresh propaganda. Or maybe actually engage in the science & policy debate and stop looking for a reason not to? Sorry, left wingers, you're losing the debate on every level.... { from Knute suit } ![]() HarmenWell the first one on this site is denying global warming. { from Is global warming from man? } ![]() ClaudeebGood to see the neo eco-fascists getting a little hot under the collar. { from Monckton names names on Climategate } ![]() mistamillionsWell cfact get 10 out of 10 for that greenpeace stunt, It winds me up that greeenpeace are perpetuating the global warming myth... peeps need to open there eyes and get wise. { from Socialists and Communists march to support global warming agenda } ![]() ExxonShareholdershill [shil] Show IPA Slang –noun ![]() KenshinAwesome work CFact! ![]() Curative_ProcessTHE REAL FACE OF COPENHAGEN is an Aussie Farmer named PETER SPENCER. { from Climate skeptics gain steam } ![]() Michael_H_AndersonI can post mainstream media links too if you like. Try these on - a little more recent than yours: ![]() Michael_H_AndersonLook whopays, let's be reasonable: you are here to disrupt this website. That's pathetic. You could try getting a life, you know. You're not going to change anyone's mind here, your information is outdated and no longer relevant, which makes your entire presence here irrelevant and frankly I'm embarrassed for you and I'm sure I'm not alone. ![]() Michael_H_Anderson'Scientific data doesn't go bad after a few years'? That's brilliant. What part of this did you miss, fool? ![]() whopaysyourbills1984Regarding the former links I sent regarding the overwhelming evidence that there is scientific consensus around climate change, scientific data doesn't go bad after a few years. ![]() Michael_H_AndersonI just wrote the admins here suggesting IP blacklisting this site is being systematically spammed, with the obvious intention of quashing genuine debate and wasting the time of genuinely interested users. Free speech is one thing spambots attacking a site another.... ![]() Michael_H_AndersonNice job reading those sites I mentioned, you useless braindead spamming halfwit sophomoric loser pathetic troll. Last time I bother addressing you - hell, you're probably just a spambot anyway. Much rather deal with actual human beings.... ![]() ExxonShareholderFellow Cimate Change Skeptics! ![]() Michael_H_AndersonI just checked those links...December 2004 for crying out loud! You IDIOT, are you living in a CAVE? Have your handlers not notified you of the huge global crisis assaulting the entire edifice of AGW theory? How cruel of them, and how pathetic of you to let them use you that way! Dumbass!!!... ![]() Michael_H_AndersonI just wanted to state that nobody here except you gives a damn, whopaysyourbills1984.... { from Socialists and Communists march to support global warming agenda } ![]() Michael_H_AndersonOnly complete nitwits get their science news from Greenpeace or mainstream media. Try these links, and READ them, don't use juvenile tactics like logical fallacies and misdirection to "support" your outdated True Believer viewpoint: ![]() whopaysyourbills1984For my fans out there I'd like to offer a few more links, these are for those who think there isn't a scientific consensus that global warming is real and that man contributes to global warming. Of course, it's hard to find scientific consensus that cigarettes cause cancer. ![]() Michael_H_Andersonwhopaysyourbills1984's brain-dead spam is paid for by the taxpayers of whatever country he's from, since he's almost certainly on welfare.... ![]() Michael_H_AndersonI wonder who pays YOUR bills, whopaysyourbills1984. Living in Canada, I am grateful every day for oil companies as they have kept me and my family and friends and millions of others from freezing to death to say nothing of the other life-saving tecnologies the wealth oil produces have made possible. Maybe you live on a tropical island in a grass hut with solar-powered computer and Net connection, and have never used internal-combustion transport in your life. Unfortunately for the other 6.5 billion of us, we don't always have that luxury. { from Knute suit } ![]() Michael_H_AndersonI don't know if it's true, I wouldn't believe you if you told me the time of day, and don't care at least it isn't funded by liemongers like Greenpeace, the WWF, or the IPCC, you stupid troll.... { from Is global warming from man? } Michael_H_AndersonIf anyone is curious to know what I might mean by socially undeveloped, how about these pointers: ![]() Michael_H_AndersonYou're not an activist if you're whopaysyourbills1984, either - you're a puppet. Worse: a parrot of a puppet.... Michael_H_AndersonGreenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore writes: Michael_H_AndersonThis is an excellent essay. As a former Green NGO information officer and nature educator, I have been particularity interested in the extinction issue. In spite of the high-flown claims of environmental groups seeking power, funding and career relevance, it is impossible to know not only the rate of extinctions, but the number of species on earth. ![]() DesertManwhopaysyourbills1984 wrote: "Why is Lord Monckton being interviewed on the subject of climate change? He's not a scientist. " ![]() Michael_H_Andersonwhopaysyourbills1984 - you're missing the point. The POINT is that nobody in their right wits cares what a lobotomized cretin like you thinks about anything.... { from National Journal: Clash between the Guardian and science } ![]() DaveJGreat to see Greenpeace suffer and great to see so many comedy posts by "whopaysyourbills1984" Keep them coming old chap! ![]() philwynkA correction: it was 489 scientists surveyed, not 97. Ninety-seven was the percentage of those who agree that the earth warmed in the 20th century.... ![]() philwynkHard leftists generally assign individuals to counter sites like this one. Yours seems to have been inflicted with a fellow who calls himself "whopaysyourbills1984." ![]() sylvainrActivists told you that polar bear population is shrinking and you think it is sound science ? { from Knute suit } ![]() ExxonShareholderCraig, ![]() Curative_Processps People who know the truth and want the truth to be outted should not be called 'skeptics', they should be called GLOBAL WARMING REALISTS or CLIMATE TRUTHERS or CLIMATE REALISTS. { from Climate skeptics gain steam } ![]() Curative_ProcessWhat the mainstream propaganda media failed to tell you was the truth of the FALL OUT of events that started with LORD MONCKTONS Radio Interview with Alan Jones of 2GB, exposing the Treason of The Copenhagen Treaty. And what followed was the biggest People Power Ground Swell in virtual history as 11 Liberal MPs QUIT their portfolio's on the bench under Goldman Sachs Turnbull in disgust, as MANY THOUSANDS of Australians lobbied ALL of the Liberal MPs and National MPs to FIRE Malcolm Goldman Sachs Turnbull (at that time the leader of the Liberals who as a former CEO of Goldman Sachs in Australia, multi-millionaire and best buddies with PM Kevin Rude, who was bizarrely wanting to follow Kevin Rude up the ETS path). And for Tony Abbott to take over as the leader. { from Climate skeptics gain steam } ![]() Curative_ProcessWhilst Greenpeace are expanding their carbon foot print at COP15 ... ![]() whopaysyourbills1984Who should you believe regarding global warming, 97% of atmospheric scientists or Lord Monckton? ![]() robins111Is it just me, or does whopaysyourbills1984, troll here, as much as at SDA? ![]() whopaysyourbills1984Here's a small sampling of scientists and institutions who disagree with Lord Monckton on climate change. Since we're not scientists, how trusting some of these organizations? { from Monckton names names on Climategate } ![]() whopaysyourbills1984Chris, next time you guys are interviewing Lord Christopher Monckton, could you ask him if he still supports Internment Camps for those with AIDS? He seems like a really progressive thinker. Also, could you ask him if there is anyone else who he would like to start rounding up? { from Monckton names names on Climategate } ![]() PopsWell, whopaysyourbills1984 seems to have fallen out of the wrong side of his/her/its cot. Greenpiss have been doing this sort of thing for years, much to his/her/its delight no doubt, but I just bet he/she/it nearly swallowed his/her/its dummy (pacifier) when he/she/it saw this. ![]() whopaysyourbills1984Chris, next time you guys are interviewing Lord Christopher Monckton, could you ask him if he still supports Internment Camps for those with AIDS? He seems like a really progressive thinker. Also, could you ask him if there is anyone else who he would like to start rounding up? ![]() whopaysyourbills1984Craig, I has a suggestion. While you're fighting on behalf of Shell Oil, why don't you head down to Nigeria where can really crack some skulls: ![]() whopaysyourbills1984Your journalism is misleading crap. ![]() Curative_ProcessBRILLIANT! ![]() whopaysyourbills1984"Alaska’s climate is warming. While there have been warming and cooling trends before, climatologists tell us that the current rate of warming is unprecedented within the time of human civilization...." ![]() Curative_Process@whopays .. you do know it Exxon donates to both Democrats and Republican, they back both horses. But don't be fooled, they are 100% behind the Global Warming Scam as they will benefit in kickbacks and subsidies, a little fact your country's leader (Obaahma) has not told you about. So the front needs to be kept up for the the propogated dialectic for numbnuts like you 'who believe' to believe in the smoke screen. { from Monckton names names on Climategate } ![]() whopaysyourbills1984Donna, your web site is worse than this one. If you're writing your book discussing how there isn't a consensus on climate change, I would suggest that you interview some of the climatologists who disagree with you, and it shouldn't be difficult because 97% of climatologists disagree with you. ![]() whopaysyourbills1984This a great piece of 'journalism' considering the fact that two of the people who are interviewed, Craig Rucker 'College Graduate' Christina Wilson work for CFACT. I can see how it would be tiring to interview Lord Christopher Monckton over and over again considering the fact that he's the only one in Copenhagen who agrees with you. I should set up a website and interview myself to impress people and get some Exxon money. You're not excluded from the global warming debate if you've received over 585k from Exxon, however don't call yourself an activist for pulling these stunts, you're a corporate thug on the payroll.... ![]() Donna_LaframboiseInteresting to see Greenpeace get a taste of its own medicine. I disagree strongly, though, with Carbonlover's comment (Dec. 16, 8:54 am) that Greenpeace should be banned. To quote Noam Chomsky, "If you don't believe in free speech for those you despise, you don't believe in it all." I have made this point in several pro-green contexts and I'm repeating it loudly here. ![]() carbonloverWell done CFACT! Greenpeace should be banned, as should most do-good green zealots. They understand nought about the role of carbon dioxide. Despite what anyone thinks, there is not one single piece of actual observed evidence that links carbon dioxide with global warming or climate change. Such evidence can never be found because it does not exist. ![]() JenniferMarohasyCongratulations to Craig Rucker and crew! ![]() whopaysyourbills1984You're not an 'activist' if you're being paid by Exxon. You're just a thug on the payroll.... ![]() TheViewMaster
{ from Socialists and Communists march to support global warming agenda } ![]() whocareswhopaysbillsand other "greeny" websites are not funded by-sierra club, greenpeace, the UN, Al Gore and other activitist. Yea why don't you go out and gut down some more trees for a tree ring count you bafoon.... { from Monckton names names on Climategate } ![]() TheViewMaster
{ from Socialists and Communists march to support global warming agenda } ![]() whopaysyourbills1984Why is Lord Monckton being interviewed on the subject of climate change? He's not a scientist. Lord Monckton nice job here: ![]() whopaysyourbills1984Craig Rucker and David Rothbard are basically paid Exxon lobbyists. 97% of active climatologists believe that human activity is a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures. There is a link to the study here: http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/01/97_of_active_climatologists_ag.php... { from Knute suit } ![]() whopaysyourbills1984Craig Rucker and David Rothbard are basically paid Exxon lobbyists. 97% of active climatologists believe that human activity is a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures. There is a link to the study here: http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/01/97_of_active_climatologists_ag.php... { from CFACT's Morano debates UN climate treaty on Britain's Sky News } whopaysyourbills1984Craig Rucker and David Rothbard are basically paid Exxon lobbyists. 97% of active climatologists believe that human activity is a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures. There is a link to the study here: http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/01/97_of_active_climatologists_ag.php... ![]() whopaysyourbills1984Craig Rucker and David Rothbard are basically paid Exxon lobbyists. 97% of active climatologists believe that human activity is a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures. There is a link to the study here: http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/01/97_of_active_climatologists_ag.php... ![]() whopaysyourbills1984Craig Rucker and David Rothbard are basically paid Exxon lobbyists. 97% of active climatologists believe that human activity is a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures. There is a link to the study here: http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2009/01/97_of_active_climatologists_ag.php... { from Socialists and Communists march to support global warming agenda } ![]() whopaysyourbills1984Nice job with the graffiti Craig. Did Exxon pay for the spray cans too, or just your ticket to Copenhagen.... ![]() whopaysyourbills1984Craig Rucker is funded by Exxon. { from Knute suit } whopaysyourbills1984This organization is funded by Exxon: ![]() whopaysyourbills1984This website is funded by Exxon. whopaysyourbills1984This article has been brought to you by the Exxon corporation. It's the best junk science money can buy. { from All pain, no gain } ![]() whopaysyourbills1984If you're reading this site. I hope Exxon is paying you, because they're certainly paying the authors. { from National Journal: Clash between the Guardian and science } whopaysyourbills1984This website is an example of Exxon funding junk science. Exxon has paid CFACT over 500k so far. { from New York Times carries CFACT's 'Climate Sense' Conference } ![]() whopaysyourbills1984CFACT is Exxon propaganda. They should stop trying to hide this: { from CFACT arrives in Copenhagen } ![]() whopaysyourbills1984Congratulations to Exxon for a organizing successful protest rally: { from CFACT Collegians organize protest against appearance by Al Gore } ![]() whopaysyourbills1984This website is funded by Exxon. Why doesn't CFACT state this in their about page?... { from Monckton names names on Climategate } ![]() whopaysyourbills1984This organization and web page are funded by Exxon. CFACT.org does a good job of hiding this.... { from Is global warming from man? } ![]() whopaysyourbills1984I just wanted to state that this website is paid for by Exxon. { from Socialists and Communists march to support global warming agenda } aimewI am having a hard time with the statement above where it states that only young, growing trees absorb CO2 it is my understanding that all green leaves take in CO2 and release O2 as long as they are alive. It is part of how plants opperate and has nothing to do with age or growth rate. What have I been missing?... ![]() sdlawrenceThat was a truly amazing exchange. I heard nothing but climate change mantras flying out of the good professor's mouth. Through all the rhetoric he truly sounded like a third-rate politician activist, and not an academician. It wasn't clear to me that he was a scientist until I heard him addressed as "Professor". { from CFACT's Morano debates UN climate treaty on Britain's Sky News } ![]() JohnOSullivanCFACT is providing an essential service to those who wish to read and understand all facets of this often misrepresented and globally important issue. For context, we need to understands that in the 1970’s the world’s scientists were convinced the planet was enduring global cooling. The CIA even wrote a 30-page report on this subject despite the warmists claiming this is all an ‘urban legend.’ { from CFACT arrives in Copenhagen } JohnOSullivanIt’s important that all world leaders take on board what sceptic scientists have to say. The examination of where the allocation of funds by governments to scientific and technological issues tells us most about the true priorities of politicians. { from CFACT sponsors climate science conference: The debate is not over } EuropeanAmericanI was on board with this organization until I came across this article with it's absolutely insane statement: { from Are organic foods really better? } ![]() john0sullivanAlarmists who plug the dodgy theory of man made global warming are not applying the scientific method. Scientists all know that the science must stand on its own. { from National Journal: Clash between the Guardian and science } ![]() HipnosisTo everyone at CFACT. Good luck with your mission. The service you are providing may very well be one of the most important ever attempted. Trillions of dollars, the prosperity of my country (Canada), the prosperity of the world and the truth are all in jeopardy. Thank you for doing this job.... { from CFACT arrives in Copenhagen } ![]() mkwrk2M. Kerjman 's "Of Planetary Change Short Story" http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Of+Planetary+Change+Short+Story-a01074017802 says much of a real way planetary change is going.... { from Is global warming from man? } ![]() MacAaronIt would be interesting to find out who funds NRDC and to find out why they haven't been attacking the number one most-used herbicide in the U.S.: Roundup (Monsanto)...... { from Is government standing in the way of lower food costs? } ![]() MichaelGOPThe Chesapeake has always been a special place for us. We saw (and tasted) a bumper crab harvest not too long ago. What a pleasure when common sense solutions improve life for both man and nature.... { from Science to save the Chesapeake Bay } ![]() ProLibertatePeople do not need to eat eggs. ProLibertateTo megaskeptic- { from Giving up meat to Save the Planet? } ProLibertatePoint One: Not true- considering 95% of the 10 Billion livestock animals consumed a year in America are chicken. Millions of hectares of crop land and ever diminishing reserves of precious water is predominantly used to produce livestock feed. If those croplands were instead used for produce for humans instead of livestock, we could end world hunger. We don’t need the grasslands, in which the wild mustangs and prairie dogs are currently killed as pests, for cattleman lease our public lands for cattle. In America alone, 70% of the corn, 80% of the soy and 90% of the oats are fed to LIVESTOCK! And this is GMO corn and soy! Monsonto doesn't care how safe their product is "That's the FDA's job" to ensure. { from Giving up meat to Save the Planet? } ![]() BobDevineSomeone else more than likely asked this before buy why do we never hear of these things through the regular news sources? Some of it is a continuation of what I learned in school in the 1950s. Do they not teach the same basic science we used to get? { from Science to save the Chesapeake Bay } MegaSkepticThis is not a belief. Meat is the only product that humans can consume that can give them vitamin B12. There is NO other natural source for B12. Meat is a requirement of the human diet. If one does not eat meat in some form (eggs, fish, beef)then they WILL NOT get the proper amount of B12 unless they take supplements. If supplements are not taken or not available, an individual WILL be deficient in B12. Fact. { from Giving up meat to Save the Planet? } marklmYour belief that meat consumption is important to maintaining our health is wrong. There is no amino acid, vitamin, or mineral that can’t be obtained from plants, and plants are 100% cholesterol free. The ADA’s position paper on plant based diets states that vegetarian or vegan diets are nutritionally adequate and can help in the prevention of certain diseases.... { from Giving up meat to Save the Planet? } ![]() BobArmstrongDennis , Since moving out here next to Pike National Forest above Colorado Springs in 2005 from Manhattan , largely thanks to my sister who is an animal nut , I've experienced the cycle of life and death on a retail level uncomprehended in NYC . When I first came out she had chickens and roosters , a turkey , a pair of pea fowl , and ducks . And horses , and parrots and dogs and cats . Creatures coming up from out of the woods , and occasionally a new dog , reduced the fowl down to 3 ducks . The remaining female and her sons inbred back to about 10 ducks which declined back down to about 5 at which point my sister saw a deal on Craigslist for 10 free ducks from Denver's parks . We're now back down 10 total and haven't had any ducklings survive more than a few days this year . I think these duck tales sufficiently illustrate that I know where you're coming from , and don't need to get into the lives and deaths of various dogs and cats and horses - and a parrot . |




























