Interview with Climate Depot executive director Marc Morano. Dean says Australia’s energy systems are a mess because of Labor’s net-zero obsession. Morano details his experience following his visit to the COP30. Morano points out climate summits have gone on for 33 years now. He notes the COP30 host city Belem, was unprepared as the city was riddled with poverty. He adds many dignitaries and world leaders attended on private jets and accommodation arranged on cruises.