Warming radicals blind to science and history

By |2015-11-19T18:14:43+00:00November 19th, 2015|Climate|87 Comments

Extreme green environmentalists were celebrating in the US when President Obama gave in to their demands and refused to allow the construction of the Keystone oil pipeline. Dressed in rabbit and polar bear outfits, they danced and sang in front of the Whitehouse.

The greens said what a victory this was, because it would stop the use of more fossil fuel, and so ‘save the planet’.

In fact the oil company said; no it would not stop the use of the oil they will now merely transport the oil by road and rail, thereby increasing its price.

Meantime the greens have also said that talking to governments is not working, so they are resorting to more ‘direct action’. This means blockading ports, rail lines and so on. Apparently this is democracy in action.

Greenpeace has announced that its campaign for COP-21 in Paris will be ‘no fossil fuel and no nukes’. They say they want the whole world running on ‘renewable energy’ by 2050. This is like believing in the Toothfairy and the Easter Bunny.

They talk in sweeping theoretical terms, with no calculations of any sort to explain how this majestic goal can be achieved. Of course they also talk of living a simpler lifestyle, more in tune with the earth. That means don’t drive your car, fly in an aeroplane, or browse the internet on your cellphone, and so on.

Meantime, let me examine the basic thesis of all this. The argument is that CO2 causes global warming which leads to climate change. Another thesis is that all results of climate change are bad; nothing good can come of this.

However, over the last 1000 years the average temperature of the Earth has varied a great deal. Grape growing and winemaking were possible in England between 1100 and 1300, a time known as the Medieval Warm Period (MWP). This MWP is proven by science to have existed all over the world.

During this time the Vikings settled in Greenland. There were 3000 Viking farmers Viking greenland buildingin Greenland in 1300, and the place was green, and farming thrived.

During the MWP global temperatures were warmer than they are now.

But then a cooling phase set in. This was during the time of Shakespeare, and when the Dutch East India company pioneer Jan van Riebeeck landed at the Cape of Good Hope in South Africa to start a halfway station, for shipping travelling from Holland to the Far East. This cooling period has been named the Little Ice Age (LIA) and it lasted from about 1350 to 1850. During this time the river Thames froze solid and Frost Fairs were held on the river. People rode horses and carriages up and down the frozen Thames. Paintings survive to this day of the Frost Fairs. The last Frost Fair was held 1814.

Meantime, the cooling had hit the Vikings in Greenland and they slowly left and died out. The last Viking supply ship left Greenland in 1410. Modern historians had wondered why the prosperous Viking settlements had been abandoned. The answer has turned out to be simple. Climate change led to cooling and they were frozen out of their lands.

What is also evident from history is that periods of global warming led to health, welfare, and prosperity. Global cooling led to crop failure, disease, and hardship.

Some historians say that Jan van Riebeeck was sent to the Cape in 1652 in the middle of the LIA, partly because food was becoming more expensive in Europe, and the Dutch East India Company had to supply the increasing number of ships travelling the valuable trade routes to the east. Remember that the great plague of Europe, the Black Death, was in 1665. Even the rats were desperate for food and they spread the plague. Once when I visited a small country church in England I suddenly found myself standing on a large gravestone embedded in the ground. I looked down and read the inscription at my feet: “Here lie twenty six monks who died of the Black Death – 1665.” I will never forget it. I imagined the social impact of losing 26 monks from one small church.

In addition, the historically significant British settlers of the year 1820 arrived in South Africa at the end of the LIA, desperate to find a better life, compared to the poor conditions in England. One wonders to what degree the conditions in Europe, resulting from the LIA, contributed to their decision to move to South Africa.

If one goes back further in history to Roman times, there was a well-documented Roman Warming Period. This was also a period of prosperity.

During the MWP, the temperature was warmer than now. Of course there was no industrial Carbon Dioxide to be blamed for this warming. So what caused it?

Today in modern times there is a theory that the cause of global warming and cooling is the sun. But we are not talking of just the slight warming and cooling of the sun, which is known to occur. That effect is too little. It appears that climate change variations are due to major solar activity; which in turn means the mighty solar storms which appear on the sun in well-known cycles. These storms cause major alterations in the magnetic effects produced by the sun. These outbursts of magnetic activity in turn interact with the magnetic field of the Earth, which then alters the strength of the magnetic screening around the earth. This changing magnetic screen then alters the amount of cosmic radiation which penetrates the upper atmosphere of the earth. The cosmic radiation alters the amount of cloud cover, which exists around the planet. The cloud cover alters the amount of sunlight reaching the ground and so alters warming and cooling patterns. Carbon Dioxide has nothing to do with it. The solar activity model fits the facts well, including the onset of the MWP, the LIA, and the Roman Warming. The CO2 model does not fit the facts at all well; in fact in some instances it totally contradicts them.

But the extreme greens are not interested in this solar answer. They want an enemy to blame and to attack. That enemy is modern industry. To be able to attack industry the industrial CO2 generated globally has to be the culprit. Reason and logic have nothing to do with it.

In Paris the extreme greens will use all the media-grabbing opportunities they can, to force their case to the forefront of the public messages. They will not ask science for legitimate answers. COP-21 will be a war of promoting alternative political models for running the world, it will not be a search for the truth.


  1. Dano2 November 20, 2015 at 11:16 AM

    Hand-waving aside, it iw warmer now than it has been for tens of thousands of years, maybe hundreds of thousands.



    • VR November 23, 2015 at 11:46 AM

      Wrong, the Roman Warm, Medieval Warm, and Holocene Optimum were periods all warmer than today’s “20th century warm” and all those occurred since the end of the last ice age around 12,000 years ago. The Eemian warm of the prior inter glacial was several degrees C higher than today.

      • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 11:58 AM

        No they were not. And you cannot provide empirical evidence to show such.



        • VR November 23, 2015 at 1:00 PM

          Sorry but that is not correct. Look at ice core data from Greenland and Antarctica, both show the temperature in the past in detail, at times warmer than today and at times colder (much colder). This data is managed by the NCDC a division of NOAA, and data is there for download to the public. Warm periods are relatively short around 10-20,000 years and cold periods very long around 50-100,000 years. These data are widely accepted by climate scientists and geologists as fact. Ice core and sediment core data support the highly cyclical temperature trends of our planet. Our planet is always either warming or cooling, static unchanging temperature/climate is not the norm. Our current 20th century rate of warming is consistent with other warming trends of the last 12,000 years (Holocene).

          • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 1:14 PM

            First of all, that first graphic is explaining how disinformer Don Easterbrook lies to the faithful about past temps by purposely misusing Alley’s data. Data, BTW, which for temps starts ~105 years ago. A look at the Pages 2K work or anything similar shows how Easterbrook misleads with that graphic.



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            • VR November 23, 2015 at 1:22 PM

              when in doubt, break out the hockey stick

              • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 1:42 PM

                Thanks, that lets us know you are refuted.



                • Pam Dunn November 23, 2015 at 1:47 PM

                  NO stupid YOU are the one breaking out the hockey stick to try and prove your idiocy.

                  • Mnestheus November 24, 2015 at 4:26 AM

                    Sad to have to dunn a dunce, but poor Pam’s hairline betrays her game:

                    It does not greatly signify if the proximate cause is microcephaly or mendacity- : To click her name is to discover a universe oof blog comments where ‘Moron’ is the most common word in the language.

                    Dunning & Kruger have not labored in vain.

                • VR November 23, 2015 at 2:33 PM


                  • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 2:36 PM

                    You were refuted, thanks!



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            • Pam Dunn November 23, 2015 at 1:46 PM

              More global warming Troll spew of BULLSHYTE from DISHONEST sources.

        • Gruff November 23, 2015 at 1:07 PM

          Providing Insight into Climate Change

          Try this, as well as follow the money via double dipping

          • RealOldOne2 November 23, 2015 at 1:10 PM

            You’re wasting your time referring Dano2 to science. He doesn’t do science, just propaganda from his CatastrophicAGW-by-CO2 climate cult.

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          • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 1:14 PM

            Disinformation site!




        • Brin Jenkins November 23, 2015 at 1:12 PM

          Tot to the 100 degree that warmists present now as an ill begotten fact. Liars!

        • Pam Dunn November 23, 2015 at 1:45 PM

          And you supposedly can?? Thought NOt usual moronic spw from a troll and toad.

    • Pam Dunn November 23, 2015 at 1:44 PM

      Moronic global warming TROLL Alert; Watch out for spewed idiocy.

  2. fedupjeff November 20, 2015 at 11:32 AM

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  3. me1952 November 20, 2015 at 11:51 PM

    Mother Nature has been burning fossil fuels for 6,000 years. She also does not burn fossil fuels as cleanly as humans do. How has the planet survived? Humans have been destroying the Amazon rain forest since the mid 1960s and the Amazon supports a roughly 2 million non indigenous population it was never meant to support. Could this result in excess CO2? So many factors may or may not be affecting the climate and there is no one answer everyone will agree upon.
    Has anyone seen these prophets of doom driving a horse and buggy or riding a bike instead of using a motor vehicle? Do they chop wood in the winter or sweat all summer? Do they read by candlelight? These hypocrites aren’t about to forego the good life that those eeeeevil fossil fuels provide.
    Do we hold conferences on volcanoes and earthquakes? Or do we just accept that there are forces of nature we neither understand or control? The climate is one such force and until there is universal indisputable agreement as to what is going on and what if anything is causing it, I will never be convinced this is anything more than a manufactured crisis.
    The climate is doing what its always done….whatever it damned well pleases. Any suggestion that humans influence it is laughable.

  4. stevemeikle November 21, 2015 at 9:24 PM

    The author appeals to facts I have known for years, namely historical facts. That is why I have NEVER believed in CAGW

    • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 12:12 PM





      • Pam Dunn November 23, 2015 at 1:43 PM

        Moronic troll spews idiocy as usual.

        • Francisco Machado November 23, 2015 at 1:59 PM

          He’s probably even more entertaining on the stunning historical success of socialism or the sterling benefits of faux Utopian world government under the U.N.

      • rhetorical1 November 23, 2015 at 3:20 PM

        What in the name, of all that is true science, are you trying to say? If you do have something intelligent to offer this forum than for goodness sake say it. If not – go away. Stop playing games.

        • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 4:02 PM

          I simply called a keyword in our Denialist Drinking Game. Calm down.



        • RealOldOne2 November 23, 2015 at 4:38 PM

          Dano can’t help it. It goes with having a single digit IQ.

          • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 4:48 PM

            That’s rich: a craven and weak ploy from someone utterly and completely dependent on disinformation sites to validate its self-identity and who flails about trying to hide its blatant dishonesty.



  5. Mnestheus November 22, 2015 at 2:27 PM

    What an ignoramus !

    • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 12:14 PM

      Disinformation site!




    • Pam Dunn November 23, 2015 at 1:33 PM

      BULLSHYTE from a total moron. They are NOT making wine in Britain NORTH of where it was made In medieval and Roman times; Matter of fact in those WARM DAYS, they were growing grapes and making wine in Sweden and Norway. The real Ignoramus is you and your gullible brainless acceptance of the warmers bullshyte. By the Way thanks for the other idiotic moronic acceptance that it the fault of the “coal flacks” (what ever THOSE are) in South Africa.
      Does your mother know she raised a brainless moron and total idiot?

    • BS7SDEN November 23, 2015 at 1:45 PM

      This idiot wasn’t raised by anyone – just a blight on the planet

    • RealOldOne2 November 23, 2015 at 9:50 AM

      That is baseless, empirical evidence-free propaganda. The whole global warming scare is based on flawed, faulty, falsified, failed climate models which can’t accurately project future global temperatures at even a 2% confidence level. (vonStorch2013)

      There is not a single peer reviewed paper that empirically shows that anthropogenic CO2 was the primary cause of the most recent climate warming in the late 20th century. Not one.

      Citing skeptical science which is a propaganda website run by a cartoonist shows why you are ignorant of real climate science.

      “About Skeptical Science – This site was created by John Cook. I’m not a climatologist or a scientist, but a self-employed CARTOONIST and web programmer by trade.” – http://web.archive.org/web/20071213172906/www.skepticalscience.com/page.php?p=3

      • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 12:14 PM

        There is not a single peer reviewed paper that empirically shows that anthropogenic CO2 was the primary cause of the most recent climate warming in the late 20th century. Not one

        Whoopsie! Another failure for the grumpy, uninformed old man.

        I detect a pattern…



        • RealOldOne2 November 23, 2015 at 12:38 PM

          Still peddling your false propaganda even after you’ve been shown it is wrong! As I’ve shown you before here: , http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11561629/Top-scientists-start-to-examine-fiddled-global-warming-figures.html#comment-1995678288 , Feldman(2015) does NOT empirically show that anthropogenic CO2 was the primary cause of the late 20th century. It’s not even about the 20th century. It merely shows that CO2 increased at a couple locations from 2000-2010, a time period that global temperatures decreased: http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:2000/to:2010/trend/plot/rss/from:2000/to:2010

          Thanks for once again for demonstrating that you are merely a delusional CAGW-by-CO2 doomsday climate cult fanatic who is peddling propaganda, NOT empirical science.

          • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 12:51 PM

            You are being dishonest about the results of the paper. SHOCKER.

            You are also being dishonest by cherry-picking only one dataset (that didn’t measure the same thing as the study). SHOCKER.



            • RealOldOne2 November 23, 2015 at 1:09 PM

              Yet another demonstration of your dishonesty and scientific illiteracy.

              Sorry, but you are using an old out-of-date version of the UAH dataset. Here’s the latest data, which also shows no warming for ~19 years: http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v6.0beta/tlt/
              “that didn’t measure the same thing as the study”
              LOL. The study only measured CO2 levels, which is irrefutable proof that it did NOT empirically show that the late 20th century warming was caused by anthropogenic CO2. Also Feldman didn’t distinguish between antrhopogenic and natural CO2, so you FAIL on that count. You fail on EVERY count there dupe. LOL

              • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 1:17 PM

                Still unable to address the fact you dishonestly cherry-picked datasets and I showed how you did it aside,

                ALL the CO2 added in the time period is man-made.




                • RealOldOne2 November 23, 2015 at 1:26 PM

                  “you dishonestly cherry-picked datasets”

                  You are still lying Dano. So sad. I showed you that both satellite datasets showed a cooling trend from 2000-2010, the time period covered in Feldman(2015).

                  And the satellites are the only datasets that can provide anything close to a global average temperature, as they measure ~99% of the entire lower troposphere.
                  “thermometers can not measure global averages – only satellites can. The satellite instruments measure nearly every cubic kilometer – … – of the lower atmosphere on a daily basis. You can travel hundreds if not thousands of kilometers without finding a thermometer nearby.” – http://www.drroyspencer.com/2014/10/why-2014-wont-be-the-warmest-year-on-record/

                  Plus satellite temperature data is accurate to ~ 0.03C according to NASA: “the satellite temperature measurements are accurate to within three one-hundredths of a degree Centigrade (0.03 C) when compared to ground-launched balloons taking measurements over the same region of the atmosphere at the same time.” NASA, http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/1997/essd06oct97_1/ Land based thermometers are read to ~0.5C.

                  The corrupted-by-adjustments land datasets are useless except for propaganda purposes.

                  • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 2:11 PM

                    And I showed YOU the datasets that measure temperature at the earth’s surface – where the experiment took place – showed you are dishonestly cherry-picking datasets to mislead. Your highly-adjusted and manipulated satellite data (which isn’t even measured temperature) is also not as good as GST data, says the satellite guy (as you know, as you’ve furiously flapped your tiny hands and yelled before to make it go away).

                    And a new derp: Land based thermometers are read to ~0.5C.
                    [citation needed]



                  • RealOldOne2 November 23, 2015 at 7:21 PM

                    Readers: Note below that Dano disses the satellite data because he knows it shows that his global warming is false, and he falsely claims that the land-ocean data is better, but even his own climate cult leaders dismiss Dano’s idiotic claims a rubbish:
                    Dano claims: “Your highly-adjusted and manipulated satellite data (which isn’t even measured temperature) is also not as good as GST data”

                    But one of his climate cult leaders says: “Satellite TLT data have near-global, time-invariant spatial coverage; in contrast, global mean trends estimated from surface thermometer records can be biased by spatially and temporally and non-random coverage changes.” – Santer(2015)

                    Get that? Just what I said about the satellite data!
                    Dr.Spencer & I: “satellite instruments measure nearly every cubic kilometer – … – of the lower atmosphere on a daily basis.”
                    Santer: “Satellite TLT data have near-global, time-invariant spatial coverage”

                    And notice the projection Dano does below about the “furiously flapped your tiny hands”, as he made the ridiculous claim that the satellite data was “not as good as the GST data”. Even his climate cult leader recognized that the land-ocean datasets are made up of constantly changing temperature stations (“non-random coverage changes”), which makes means that they don’t represent a valid global change over time. One might almost believe that Dano could fly he is so furiously flapping his hands.

                    Prepare for another inane, vacuous comment from the delusional duped climate cult fanatic.

                    • Mnestheus November 24, 2015 at 4:34 AM

                      Then why do the global surface temperature numbers from the doyen of staellite thermometry UAH’s Roy Spencer , continue to go up, and up and up?

                    • RealOldOne2 November 24, 2015 at 9:24 AM

                      “Then why do the global surface temperature numbers from the doyen[sic] of staellite[sic] thermometry UAH’s Roy Spencer , continue to go up, and up and up?”

                      They don’t. There has been no increase over the past 18 years and 5 months, even though current temps are being influenced by the natural El Nino climate variable.
                      And I would point out that during that time humans have added over 500 billion tons of CO2 to the atmosphere. This is 50% of the amount that had been added from 1750-1997, and it has cause NO warming of the Earth’s atmosphere. Clearly the empirical evidence shows that anthropogenic CO2 is an insignificant factor in causing climate warming. So sad that you deny this reality based on empirical science, and rather believe in the failed predictions of your flawed, faulty, falsified climate models which can’t even accurately project future global temperatures at even the 2% confidence level (vonStorch2013).

                    • Dano2 November 24, 2015 at 12:40 PM

                      Comical inability to cite properly making everyone laugh aside,

                      Craven and blatant dishonesty:

                      There has been no increase over the past 18 years and 5 months,

                      Ouchie. Incapable of embarrassment, that one.


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                • Pam Dunn November 23, 2015 at 1:41 PM

                  BOY; Talk about demonstrating ignorance and stupidity Dano2, You just did so in spades with this BULLSHYTE:
                  “ALL the CO2 added in the time period is man-made.” That totally IGNORES ALL the VOLCANO eruptions, the CO2 released by the ocean and by animals not to mention MANY natural sources of CO2.
                  Now stick your head back up your rectum before it collapses from the vacuum of intelligence.

                  • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 1:43 PM

                    Carbon cycle. Learn it, live it. Then be embarrassed.



                    • Francisco Machado November 23, 2015 at 2:22 PM

                      So volcanoes release into the atmosphere carbon absorbed from the atmosphere thousands of millennia ago. Fair enough – zero sum. However, the same could be said for burning coal.

                    • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 2:24 PM

                      All the extra CO2/other GHGs added to the biosphere since the start of the Industrial Revolution are due to man’s burning of fossil fuels and land-use changes, thanks! 40% more in the atmosphere, thanks.



                  • RealOldOne2 November 23, 2015 at 2:09 PM

                    Dano2 does an outstanding job of demonstrating his ignorance of science. His “ALL the CO2 added in the time period is man-made” is merely one of his many examples.
                    Even his own IPCC debunks that nonsense.
                    “Note that the gross amounts of carbon annually exchanged between the ocean and atmosphere, and between the land and atmosphere, represent a sizeable fraction of the atmospheric CO2 content – and are many times LARGER than the total anthropogenic CO2 input. In consequence, and imbalance in these exchanges could easily lead to an anomaly of comparable magnitude to the direct anthropogenic perturbations.” – IPCC, TAR, Chap. 3 ‘The Carbon Cycle and Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide, Section 3.2.1, p.191.
                    Fig. 3.1 in that IPCC report shows that over 97% of the CO2 added to the atmosphere every year is NATURAL from the oceans and atmosphere.

                    • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 2:21 PM

                      Comical entertainment. Can you grasp carbon cycle?

                      Comprehend carbon cycle. Or not, and entertain us some more.



                • J T November 23, 2015 at 2:01 PM

                  If you “showed” anyone anything, it’s that you’re a douchebag; nothing more.

                  • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 2:16 PM

                    Not able to comprehend a hyperlink. Got it.



            • Pam Dunn November 23, 2015 at 1:38 PM

              Speaking of Cherry picking; Yours has been gone a long time because your brain has been raped by the Faux science and bullshyte put out by greedy governments and “scientists” wanting bigger government grants.

          • Mnestheus November 24, 2015 at 4:31 AM

            Are you bucking for Naomi Oreskes’ job, old boy ?

            Anthropic CO2 was show to cause radiatve forcing and hence raise teperatures by Victoria & Albert’s science adviser iin 1859 :


            • RealOldOne2 November 24, 2015 at 11:07 AM

              So sad that you peddle your rubbish propaganda from propaganda blogs. The issue is not that CO2 is a ghg. It’s how significant it is. And the empirical DATA shows that it is insignificant.

              The empirical evidence from the real world experiment shows that anthropogenic CO2 is an insignificant factor in causing climate warming.
              From the beginning of the Industrial Revolution to 1997 humans added ~1 billion tons of CO2 to the atmosphere. It has never been empirically shown that this was the primary cause of the slight warming since then. Actually, there is peer reviewed science that shows it was merely a natural warming in recovery from the Little Ice Age: “We learn that the recovery from the LIA has proceeded continuously, roughly in a linear manner, from 1800-1850 to the present … the Earth is still in process of the recovery from the LIA; there is no sign to indicate the end of the recovery before 1900. … These changes are natural changes.” – Akasofu(2010)

              Well since 1997, humans have added over 500 billion tons more CO2 to the atmosphere, and it has caused NO increase in global average temperature. http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1997.15/to:2015.75/plot/rss/from:1997.15/to:2015.75/trend/plot/esrl-co2/from:1997.15/to:2015.75/offset:-370/scale:0.08/mean:12

              When you can add a 50% perturbation in the factor that you claim is the primary cause of climate warming and it causes no increase in GAT, this is clear empirical evidence that anthropogenic CO2 is an insignificant factor in causing climate warming.

              That’s the real world science. So sad that you deny that real world empirical science, and rather place your faith in the failed predictions from flawed, faulty, falsified climate models. That just shows that you aren’t doing science, but are doing religion, cult religion, doomsday cult religion. Eminent scientists recognize this:
              “Global warming differs from the preceding two affairs [Eugenics & Lysenkoism] : Global warming has become a religion. … people with no other source of meaning will defend their religion with jihadist zeal.” – Dr Richard Lindzen, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Sciences, MIT. Source: http://www.jpands.org/vol18no3/lindzen.pdf

              And “This is propaganda. This is really a religious cult. And it’s a complete falsehood to say that it’s science.” – Prof. William Happer, Physics Professor Emeritus, Princeton Univ. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCDOf8Khiko#t=48

              • Dano2 November 24, 2015 at 12:35 PM

                Comical inability to cite properly continuing comically aside,

                Blatantly dishonest assertions:

                o And the empirical DATA shows that it is insignificant.

                o never been empirically shown that this was the primary cause of the slight warming since then

                o there is peer reviewed science that shows it was merely a natural warming in recovery from the Little Ice Age

                o caused NO increase in global average temperature.

                Continuing blatant dishonesty.


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        • Pam Dunn November 23, 2015 at 1:37 PM

          LOOK LOOK another moron spews stupidity and hate without a shred of ANY credible evidence.
          Tell me Dano2, how does it feel to be a gullible fool and idiot?

          • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 1:44 PM

            Feel free to – instead of pouty-pouting and whiny-whining – actually do something to show I’m incorrect.



          • J T November 23, 2015 at 2:03 PM

            He wouldn’t know. Dano is so hopelessly stupid, he is too stupid to know how stupid he is.

            • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 2:23 PM

              Feel free to – instead of widdle namie-names – actually do something to show I’m incorrect.



      • Francisco Machado November 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM

        “This website is an attempt to examine all the scientific arguments that reject AGW.” – Well, he said he was a cartoonist, not a scientist. Researchers refine their results by looking for flaws in their own theories. I’m surprised invitations to open debate appear to have been rejected by the AGW cabal. And, of course, there were the seventeen hundred private jet planes that brought the AGW promoters to Davos to push for the reduction in carbon dioxide emissions.

    • Pam Dunn November 23, 2015 at 1:35 PM

      More government BULLSHYTE from badly distorted information to justify tax increases and greater government control. I see you are such a moron that you were afraid to use your name.

    • Burl Henry November 23, 2015 at 2:17 PM

      Marin County:

      Yes, the planet is warming from man made climate change. HOWEVER, it has nothing to do with greenhouse gasses.

      ALL of the warming from 1972-present can be shown to be due to the reduction in dimming anthropogenic sulfur dioxide emissions.

      The climate sensitivity to their removal is .02 deg. C. of temp. increase for each net Megatonne of global reductions in SO2 emissions.

      Total emissions in 1972 were 131. 4 Megatonnes. In 2011, due to Clean Air efforts, they had dropped to 101 Megatonnes, a decrease of 30.4 Megatonnes. 30.4 x .02 = 0.608 deg. C.of anomalous warming. NASA’s avg. global temp. increase for 2011 was 0.61 deg. C.
      The same accuracy exists for any intervening year, 1972 to the present. Thus, CO2 can never have caused any warming!

      The scientific consensus is correct only in that man-made warming exists. It is completely wrong with respect to the cause.

    • RobbertBobbert GDQ November 24, 2015 at 12:39 AM

      Marin County
      There is no issue as to an element of warming from 1850/1880 to 2015. About .8C. That is point 8C.
      CO2 is a greenhouse gas and there is little issue that it has increased to 400 parts per million, due to our wonderful industrial and technological progress,

      As a result of this progress 100s of millions, if not billions, have reaped the reward of a lifestyle beyond the imagination of yesteryear. Lets say ‘pre industrial’ as is fashionable among alrmaramas’
      So your task is to provide us with the data involving human created CO2.

      Provide us with the mechanical process that indicates the human contribution and its impact, as distinct from natural variability.
      Then provide us with the mathematical model that underpins and verifies your data and research.
      This should enable us to see observations that validate your process. Without observations you simply have your Climate Models or your Climate crystal balls.
      Observations come from satellites.Telemetry and Altimetry. Water buoys, radiosonde balloons, Icesat data and others like tidal gauges. More often than not these techniques are in stark contrast to the modelled data.

      So often the alarmist refute the verified and tested Observations
      Why? Who Knows!

      A request for information.

      The temperature data for 1910 to 1940 (approx) shows a .3 to .4 increase. It can not be as a result of CO2 emissions. Can you explain?

      Karl (et al) 2015.
      A director of NOAA did a shipping sea engine intake temperature gauge versus water buoy data study. The water buoys were the technological improvement that were able to extend readings outside of shipping lanes. The buoys measured cooler over time so Karl brought them into line with the obsolete and very dodgy sea engine intake data. Why? Not sure but it did allow NOAA and the mainstream media to trumpet that The Pause is not Real.
      This study is blatant adjustment and a gift to the sceptic cause. It is Classic Climate Science. It is Junk!

      ‘At a news conference … in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change stated…

      “This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history”, Ms Figueres stated at a press conference in Brussels.

      I do not recall voting at Australian elections for this UN person.
      I do not recall being informed that this person and others were entitled to change the design on my t shirt let alone the present economic model.
      Did anybody here get to vote on this and how does it effect my job, my superannuation or my pension. And Yours. What happens if this new economic model is like USSR or Cuba or North Korea or even Greece.
      What do we get? The unemployed benefit. A pat on the head for not making a fuss and the UN bandits go back to Brussels and collect their whopping salary.
      Does anybody know what a senior bureaucrat earns in the UN.
      Wages, retirement funding and perks. How do they get the job.
      Does anybody get sacked ever.
      Am I suggesting a Conspiracy? No.
      They are upfront and doing it right in front of us. It is blatant and out in the open.

      News Investor states:
      ‘…The only economic model in the last 150 years that has ever worked at all is capitalism. The evidence is prima facie: From a feudal order that lasted a thousand years, produced zero growth and kept workdays long and lifespans short, the countries that have embraced free-market capitalism have enjoyed a system in which output has increased 70-fold, work days have been halved and lifespans doubled…’

      Add to this the magnificent key performer of all. That is Infant Mortality. It just keeps going down in developed nations and the developing nations are showing fabulous improvement.
      Under what energy model has this occurred?
      What will the new Model do? Surely all you warmers must now claim we should follow the Precautionary Principle to ensure that we retain all the material, longevity and mortality benefits.
      If not then why not and provide data that counters the above, Are we living longer. Is mortality improving, Are crops going gangbusters Yes. Yes. Yes. But we are all doomed to oblivion!!!

      How does Mr Putin see renewables?

      What is President Modi and his Cabinet doing about new Coal Plants.
      China just released official stats that showed an error of 17% more emissions than previously accounted for. Is not that more than Germany actually emits. They have ‘pledged’ to be 80/20 energy mix by 2030. What does the 80% represent,

      Melbourne and Sydney. 4 to 5 million Population
      New York and Moscow, 8 to 12 Million
      Mumbai and Shanghai. 20 plus million

      I would like data that shows today’s energy mix for such cities. When will renewables reach 10% or 20%. How about a date for 50%. What about 20% fossil fuel and 80% renewable and be advised that in Australia the Greens and Government media throw hissy fits if you mention Hydro and Nuke!
      In Melbourne 10c to 15c is Winter. Other posters may like to tell me about European, Canadian and other actual l cold ones. Moscow in winter powered by solar and wind. Really!

      Alarmist science is Observation free junk and your remedy is an energy mix that is delusional.

      And as for your newest chant of Pre Industrial then you go live it as if you believe in it.
      Particularly in the area of Medicine and Dentistry.
      If you want this new Economic World and lifestyle so bad then let us see you and your family live a small example of it for a year or two. Other posters may like to suggest other pre industrial examples but I am happy to go with medicine and dentistry.
      Hammer, Pliers and Whisky anyone?
      Keep your grubby medieval paws off our magnificent modern world and a big welcome to China, India and all the other developing nations.

  6. MarcJ November 23, 2015 at 2:41 PM

    Funny how after 20 consecutive years of GLOBAL COOLING those criminal government-paid drones and fakers had to change the name of their Global Warming hoax into their Climate Change scam.

    • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 2:47 PM



      That’s good comedy! I LOLzed!


      D https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3b0fd7e113f052e88fd2126640eaa892facc8a53b6f9544f731b3c1175af72c6.png

      • RealOldOne2 November 23, 2015 at 4:03 PM

        Funny how you stupidly think that 55+ years is 20 years!
        Can’t get any more stupid than that.
        But then you constantly rise to new levels of stupidity. Hahaha

        • Dano2 November 23, 2015 at 4:08 PM

          Dishonest mischaracterizations cuz no data. You have nothing to show to support the comical assertion upthread. Nothing. Nada. Nil. Null set. Zip. Zilch. Squat. Jack. Bupkis.



  7. MarcJ November 23, 2015 at 2:47 PM

    It is useful to remind ourselves of the 40-year old
    history of that UN-led conspiracy. It started in the 1970’s by the announcement
    of the coming “New Ice Age” scam (remedy = our unilateral disarmament; the big
    guru of Global warming hoax is Dr. Hansen who started his young career by that
    New Ice Age scam); when that panic petered out in the 1990’s (after Reagan
    destroyed the Soviet Union) it continued by the announcement of the man-made catastrophic “Global Warming” hoax (remedy = UN-sponsored world socialist government to “spread the wealth around” and “reduce” the world population from the existing 6.5 billion down to the “sustainable” level of 1.5 billion); after 20 consecutive years of considerable global cooling that panic was replaced by the “Climate Change”
    flimflam (so whatever happens with our climate – do “something”!) and now by
    the “Cap & Trade” power grab with the purpose of nationalizing our energy
    companies. Whatever that coterie of government-paid drones controlled by the
    far-left UN Panel “specialists” is cooking up by means of faked data, reverse
    graphs (another guru of that conspiracy Dr. Mann “confused” cause and effect in
    his “hockey stick” graphs), and erroneous calculations – the final aim is to
    empower a new UN-sponsored world socialist government authorized to “spread the
    wealth around” and so save the planet from a sure annihilation caused by “the
    rapacious and irresponsible criminal capitalists”.

    Those green and renewable energies – solar, wind, biofuels
    – are all energy balance-negative (they require more conventional energy to
    produce than they can generate), unreliable, extremely expensive, and
    environmentally destructive. Also, there is now a wealth of contrary literature
    debunking that gigantic conspiracy, written by investigative reporters and
    politicians Christopher Horner, Robert Carter, Senator Inhofe, Rupert Darwall,
    AW Montford, and David Archibald among other investigative journalists and
    politicians describing the lies, fakes, phony data, opposite conclusions,
    redacting by UN political hacks, reverse graphs, destruction of negative data,
    etc., that have exposed this far-left propaganda in painful detail. Also,
    the Oregon Petition (see Internet) signed by 31,487 independent US scientists (including 9,029 with PhD degrees), disputes the false “science” of the UN panel and its “scientists”. Several Eco-Nazis submitted false names and credentials in an
    attempt to compromise that effort started by the Nobel Prize in Physics Edward Teller
    (now deceased); it took us a lot of private money to clean up the list. To
    prevent further attempts at sabotage the Petition was closed out in late
    1990’s. Another such document named The Manhattan Declaration lists some 720
    scientists, including 120 pure climatologists, and states the same. We note
    that the name of that gigantic scam was changed to “Climate Change” – after 20
    consecutive years of global cooling. Former Vice-President Al “Jazeera” Gore,
    another low IQ bloviating gasbag, has ridden that “global warming” horse to a
    personal wealth estimated to reach a billion dollars, while being entertained
    by elegant and expensive hookers in luxury hotel suites. And now that Marxist
    Pope from Argentina has joined his voice to that world-wide criminal
    Marc Jeric; MS, PhD, Engineering, UCLA; with specialties in Heat & Mass Transfer and in Thermodynamics; signer of above documents.

    • wally12 November 24, 2015 at 12:44 AM

      @MarcJ: I agree fully. Dr. Lennart Bengtsson, the former Director of the Max Plank Institute for Meteorology, stated that real scientific study must use the real scientific methods and that any findings and claims must be verified by actual true observations. He goes further to state that the issue of climate change has become a political issue and has ceased to be scientific. We have all witnessed that the last 18 years and counting has not been warming even though CO2 levels continued to increase. Of course, since it is now political the “Warmists” have gone beyond the need for verification and have proceeded to the next step. Dr. Freeman Dyson, the well known Astrophysicist, has stated that the claims that CO2 is a problem is not a true statement. Instead, CO2 is beneficial and far out weighs the small negative that could account for some warming. I believe that the issue of AGW is the greatest scam ever perpetrated on the governments and citizens of the world.

  8. Wayne Peterkin November 23, 2015 at 3:05 PM

    Good article and hard to refute. The “climate change” or “global warming” crowd are more guilty of adopting a flawed religion than in relying on any science. Re. The Keystone Pipeline, our economy runs on energy and will continue to do so. That energy will be imported if we fail to produce all that we require domestically, and it will be imported not only by truck or rail if a pipeline does not exist, it will also be purchased from nations who hate us overseas and be transported by high risk oil tankers from across the oceans. That pipeline will have no impact on consumption. It will not only raise costs somewhat by not having the pipeline but will cause far greater environmental risk by forcing the use of riskier transportation methods. Denying the construction of the Keystone simply made no sense whatsoever, it was flat stupid. But then, the hard-core environmentalists were never accused of great intelligence.

  9. newsel November 23, 2015 at 10:55 PM

    Well said.. and is the next LIA unfolding as the sun goes to sleep?

  10. far2right November 24, 2015 at 9:10 AM

    The Greens need to get over themselves.

    Over 1100 GW of coal-fired power plants are planned for the next 10 years.

    There is NO stopping the CO2 train.

    The CPP will theoretically have zero statistical influence on “climate change” (whatever that is).

    Here’s to a (hopefully) warm, prosperous and welcomed 1,000 ppmv CO2 atmosphere.

    Adapt or die.

  11. Joe Geshel November 24, 2015 at 9:19 AM

    Environmentalists, especially the extreme variety continue to “rob Peter to pay Paul”. The Keystone Pipeline is their latest “victory” of deception. Trains will now transport the same oil that would have been otherwise transported safely underground. This is a clear loss to the environment to which they purportedly seek to protect. The decision by President Obama was solely to repay donors who also have a high financial interest in the trains that will now do the transportation of the oil. Seven years of “study” by governmental agencies determined that the pipeline was safe and had little environmental impact and approved it. Seven years was really a delaying tactic by the administration and nothing more. Therefore the President knows that his decision was a political one and he then lied about it to all of us. This lie will be as all lies are, eternal.
    Now you know!

  12. Kathleen Pedersen November 25, 2015 at 12:23 PM

    i wonder, do these climate nuts really believe their own lies? What is truly their end in lying? Obviously they believe we all are stupid. Not so. We only need to go back and study the past history of the planet. All we need to do is be able to read.

    • VooDude June 2, 2016 at 8:56 AM

      Study these segments of the past history of the planet:

  13. Kathleen Pedersen June 9, 2016 at 4:36 AM

    climate change is natural, nothing ever stays quite the same on this earth.

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