“If it's not multiple-use land, then it's not public land. And I think we really need to emphasize that this is the public's land. And we can do we can do all-of-the-above out on our public lands. I think it's really important to emphasize that, but we need to tell the stories. We need to tell the stories both in terms of the negative that by not managing our federal forests, as we should have, that is what has led to these massive forest fires. That's what's burned down communities. That's what's threatened our sequoias. I think that gets people's [...]