The scientific reality is that virtually every claim from A to Z made by the promoters of man-made climate fears is falling short or going in the opposite direction from reality.
Read CFACT’s Climate Truth File: 2014
What energy and environmental policies should Americans support?
Read CFACT’s Energy and Environment Truth File: 2014
Its good to have resources on line, many thanks.
Brin, Cornwall UK.
At your service.
The president thinks by simply saying something, no matter how outrageous such as claiming “climate change is our greatest threat”, it will become reality. And for his first term ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN were able to convince enough low information voters it was so.
Global Warming my big, hairy behind. Obola Lies about Global “Climate Change” in order to have a mass re-distribution of wealth in order to Kill America and her People.
*Obama
That medieval “global warming” period produced no catastrophe, rather the increase in healthy plant growth allowed folks to have more time to think, spawning the renaissance, and the enlightenment of the intellect. Aren’t we about due for another such enlightenment? Seems as if we could use one.
Renaissance was proceeded by the death of a third of Europe from the black plaque. We haven’t seen that reduction in population that makes jobs plentiful and increases the number of people making a comfortable living.
This whole climate change game is a “FALSE-FLAG” event. We are being led down the garden path into a more managed society – one where all the major decisions will be laid out for us, no choice – check out UN Agenda 21, and Tom deWeese’s commentary on it.
It has already been proven that global warming is FALSE. It has actually been cooler over the last 18 years. And that comes from the experts. They are using global warming as a way of fooling people into thinking there is something that is going to hurt or even kill them…so they are afraid and think he is helping when really, he is fooling everyone…Obama needs to be removed from the white house before we all see America go down the tubes….
Absolutely correct, but the problem is deeper than just the Soetoro phony presidency. It lies at the feet of an insurgency into our whole governing process. It wouldn’t matter even if Gore, McCain, or Romney were elected in the past three elections. Both parties take their orders from a secret government which never changes from election to election. Should anybody begin to show individuality, he’s snuffed, or marginalized through intimidation. It’s going to take a grand awakening of the populace – a general uprising, naming names, acts, and demanding retribution. Then we have to survive the martial law which will surely follow.
We must expunge all the dual citizens from all levels of government, as they work for a little country about the size of Delaware, and don’t give a shit about the future of the US. DHS is filled with them.
What I’ve noticed about climate change skeptics is how little you actually talk about the environment. Mostly you guys are caught up in slandering liberals and talking about ‘taking back America’ from whichever mythical enemy you think has infiltrated her borders.
That’s the thing. You guys don’t really even know why you’re against green energy and environmental protection. All you want to do is throw rocks at the other side, and the environment is just another rock. What I read on this site is clearly promulgating a certain political viewpoint, which is further reflected in the nature of the comments here.
If you want to talk politics, go to the Washington Post. If you have some opinions or dare I say, solutions, for the environment, then let’s hear them. Otherwise you’re just another cog in the big political machine.
“Green Energy” he says. He doesn’t know anything about the so-called “environmental movement.” The money behind it is all political, being from folks who wish to weaken our constitutional republic and hand it over to an oligarchy. And the Washington Post, the New York Times, as well as most of the others are complicit in the agenda. Do your homework, my friend, before allowing your tongue to wag. Then of course, you could be a Troll, couldn’t you?
Spot on Bill, it is happening in all Western Countries at the same time. Co-incidence?
Haha, it’s all good dude. A few solar panels on peoples’ roofs isn’t going to be the downfall of the United States.
And no, I’m not a troll. This is called debate. Weird to find debate on the internet, I know, but that’s why I’m here. If you have something to say about the validity of renewable energy sources or the protection of natural environments, then let’s hear it. But if you simply want to espouse theories on new world orders or Obama’s birth heritage or the sanctity of marriage, then I suggest you find other avenues to express your views.
Give me some original ideas instead of the boring propaganda I keep hearing…
I can only talk about solar panels on UK roofs. The green bonus paid comes from levies charged by all electricity companies on Government decree. The free electricity and payments are all at the expense of other consumers. By the time 10% of generation was deemed to be green, the cost per unit had been doubled. When 20% is reached a similar increase will have happened again and the cost per unit is already £0.2, which is I understand 3 times more than in the USA.
It gets worse, the highest solar output is in July with output falling to 12% in Feb when we need it the most. National grid transmission losses in the UK are 28%. The effort in balancing load and generation is horrific at 10% green, quick start up emergency costly to keep ticking over for when they are needed and further increasing unit charges to consumers.
This can be verified on Gridwatch, industry figs updated every few mins.
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
No industry requiring energy can function in such an environment, jobs are exported.
Ok, this is a good start. I agree, solar power probably isn’t the best solution for the UK’s energy needs in the near term. That being said, the North Sea is a prime location for wind power, which seems to be growing quite steadily as efficiencies increase and costs drop.
The wind is steadier at sea, I have done good deal of offshore sailing. When the wind blows you travel, when it stops, so do you!
With generation when the wind stops, we require load balancing backup to cover the whole of the green input.
This is covered by this site,
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
Do look at it the information, its from an electrical engineer using industry information for the UK and France.
Currently we see 6 Gw from wind turbines, yesterday it was less than 2 Gw. The load is only 32Gw currently, it peaks at 60Gw in Winter.
This is Wikipedia info:-
January 2014, wind power in the United Kingdom consisted of 5,276 wind turbines with a total installed capacity of over 10 gigawatts:
We have never seen a full capacity output, 18% of load is the highest I’ve ever seen and this is a low demand time. I fully expect blackouts in winter on cold wind less days of high demand. For this we have completed our industrial destruction. Aluminium can no longer be produced in the UK. Energy is very expensive here, (3*the USA) and all based on the Carbon Theory.
Are there any doubts as to why we hate this green energy?
I actually did look at Gridwatch when you included the link, and it’s a fascinating site. I was actually surprised that wind power was as high as 18 per cent. That’s a LOT of coal not being burned!
However, I totally agree that this isn’t enough for base-load power. In saying that though, the crux of my argument is that, more than anything, renewables present a technology issue, and there’s plenty of smart people working on making them more efficient and more capable.
Instead of simply saying they can never work, all I’m suggesting is that they have potential, and with the right support mechanisms, might actually be an improvement on current technology, which is what, like, 200 years old!?
I like old technologies, there is much development left in Hydraulics as an energy store and hydraulic motors are virtually loss free, compressing air is a very poor alternative through thermal losses. Super capacitors showed promise at covering startup loads but the discharge curve seems too steep for a general battery alternative, and the limits are finite.
With any new technologies development engineering is the key, and not full scale investments before proper evaluation. This is what happened with both Wind and Photovoltaic generation through vested political pressures. As a primary power plant they are not cost effective.
Question, why have we promoted DAB radios when the energy consumption and cost is so much higher then non processor radios?
Premier environmental think-tank, consultants to the United Nations“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsiblity to bring that about?” Founder of the UN Environment Programme (UNEP)– Maurice Strong,
“Whoever desires to promote the transformation of the global economy, must first overhaul the UN Commission,” say Nils Simon, Marianne Beisheim and Steffen Bauer. “Rio 2012 is the only chance for this and the state leaders must not pass it up…a fundamental institutional reshuffling of the United Nations in the area of environment and sustainable development. A strengthened mandate paired with strong political leadership as cover, more effective negotiating processes and implementation instruments as well as comprehensive and secured financial means are essential elements of such a reform.”
It certainly cannot be denied that the warmunists and the rest of their brethren on the political left entirely disapprove of virtually our entire American social order — from the distribution of wealth to race relations to the war against radical Islam to how we make and use energy and more.
“Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection, says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.”
Ottmar Edenhofer, co-chair of the IPCC Working Group III
“I describe the climate change movement as a combination of an extreme political ideology and a religious cult all rolled into one. It’s a very, very dangerous social phenomenon. It causes them to think they have the right to dictate what we do.”
“By the time I left in ‘86, Greenpeace had drifted into a position of characterizing humans as the enemies of the Earth, a cancer on the planet. One of my main contentions is that to see humans as separate from nature and the ecology and the environment is defying the most important first law of ecology, which is that we are all part of nature.”
The collapse of World Communism and the fall of the Berlin Wall led to the environmental movement being hijacked by the political and social activists who learned to use green language to cloak agendas that had more to do with anti capitalism and anti globalization than with science or ecology.
Patrick Moore, Former Greenpeace honcho
ZN is just another rabid, foaming at the mouth liberal, he just can’t handle the facts. Ask him about the validity of renewables and he will give you a green wash statement that it’s just “green common sense”.
And notice how he puts things in your mouth you never uttered, typical liberalism. He’s full of green slime propaganda.
I tangled with him on another website and he blew it off as a Koch Brothers conspiracy. So keep on reading Cfact and keep up the good fight.
Nailed it.
Just your typical avoiding the facts response, eh ZN. Never mind that the alarmists site get mcuh more finding from the enviro, industrial, banker entities like Soros proxies and other groups:
http://tinyurl.com/npqmvzp
Jul 31, 2014
An Incredible $7.9 Billion in enviro funding helps back the EPA’s radical agenda
http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=8af3d005-1337-4bc3-bcd6-be947c523439
Perhaps the Greenies have made it a political matter, Climate Change as a political tool became inevitable! Its a Social changing agenda we see, don’t you?
Climate change is naturally a political issue because money is involved. Money = politics. My point is that a lot of what I read on climate denial forums has nothing to do with the environment. There is a lot, and I mean a lot, of unrelated political propaganda involved, which I feel is largely a result of the environment being used as a wedge issue to promote certain political views.
To me, renewable energy is no different to a computer or an iPhone – it’s a technology which benefits humanity and one that can be improved using scientific and engineering principles.
Yet the mere mention of renewable energy seems to get certain people super riled, like it’s an affront to the entire constitutional democracy of Western civilization. This seems unreasonable, and that’s what I have expressed in the comments above.
Louis Proyect of Columbia University, “The answer to global warming is in the abolition of private property and production for human need. A socialist world would place an enormous priority on alternative energy sources. This is what ecologically-minded socialists have been exploring for quite some time now.”
Havel Wolf member of the Seattle Audubon Society says: “The Communist Party USA’s environmental program “presents a viable plan to carry out on the long march to socialism.”
According to A Layman’s Guide to Anthropogenic (Man-Made) Global Warming
“Fear of AGW provides a way to engage everyone in the movement. Socialists of all stripes no longer have to spew Marxist notions that turn most people off; now, they can talk the science of global warming and hurricanes and massive floods and such, and, using fear, trample the average guy into their socialist goals of stifling capitalism, growth, and having the government take over the economy through this environmental back-door.”
Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), then representing the Clinton-Gore administration as U.S Undersecretary of State for global issues, addressing the Rio Climate Summit audience. “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” (Wirth now heads the UN Foundation which lobbies for hundreds of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to help underdeveloped countries fight climate change.)
Opening remarks offered by Maurice Strong, who organized the first U.N. Earth Climate Summit (1992) in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, revealed the real goal: “We may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrialized civilization to collapse. Isn’t it our responsibility to bring this about?”
Also speaking at the Rio conference, Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick, who then headed the policy divisions of the U.S. State Department said: “A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”
“It doesn’t matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.” – Paul Watson, co-founder of Greenpeace.
Wow, digging up the old CFACT debates. I bailed out on you guys months ago because the conversations were boring and incoherent and I see not much has changed.
What’s your point with all these quotes? I literally don’t know what I’m meant to get out of these. If you’re trying to make a point just say it, in your own words.
In the UK we the the same problems, just like the whole of the EU, Australia and all Western civlisations and cultures.
The Frankfurt School in 1926 Germany was set up to invigorate the spread of the Socialist revolution across the globe. They had certain recommendations which are now bearing fruit. Its well worth googling especially an expose by the Catholic Herald. The destruction of marriage by spreading sexual perversion, all faiths, private wealth, recourse to lawful justice. Immigration to destroy Nationhood.
Common purpose, fit for purpose, and other buzz words identify the sources of the cultural revolution we are seeing. Be vigilant, say no and throw spanners in the machinery. All local and central Government has been infiltrated by useful idiots do the lever pulling.
GENERAL NON FICTON PULITZER WORTHY
Also worthy of the best FICTION award.
Tell us where and how?
When Obama speaks, I am reminded of the quote: “Tis better to have people think you’re dumb, than to open your mouth and remove all doub.
“doubt”
I believe Soros befriended him at a young age because of his anti white leanings. Obama may not be very bright but women liked him for his good looks, and he does as his puppet masters tell him.
A true son of Satan.
LOL.
Mark Twain, I believe. We could use one like him about now.
Just to clarify for any curious readers, the 97 per cent consensus that is commonly mentioned in the media more accurately refers to a 2013 study of 12,000 scientific papers written between 1991 and 2011, which found that 97.1 per cent of papers that took a position on AGW affirmed its existence. This correlates with a 2004 study of papers published between 1993 and 2003 which found no active disagreement in consensus.
http://theconversation.com/its-true-97-of-research-papers-say-climate-change-is-happening-14051
Who wrote these papers, and to what end? Was there a point for so many?
Perhaps they were collected from the Tony Blair initiative in funding UK university studies, only the pro warming papers had any further funding for their thesis.
Scientists wrote these papers, because that’s what scientists do. And you’re calculation was wrong. It would be 120 per year, not 1200, not that that matters though.
And the part about Tony Blair…? Come on man, be reasonable.